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This page explains {{TV}}'s established process for an {{accepted}} or {{soldier}} to choose an [[Community Groups|Ajah or Company]], also called a [[Community Group]]. This is known as the Guesting System.  
 
This page explains {{TV}}'s established process for an {{accepted}} or {{soldier}} to choose an [[Community Groups|Ajah or Company]], also called a [[Community Group]]. This is known as the Guesting System.  
  
This page also explains the process an {{as}} or {{gaidin}} must follow to change which [[Community Group]] he or she is part of, which is called Demotion.
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This page also explains the process an {{as}} or {{gaidin}} must follow to change which [[Community Group]] they are part of, while in the process being called "Unaffiliated."
  
The [[MM: Voluntary Demotions|Membership Manual]] contains more information about this topic.
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The [[MM: Guesting and Aspiring|Membership Manual]] contains more information about this topic.
 
==History==
 
==History==
In the [[Main_Page_(The_Wheel_of_Time)|Wheel of Time series]], no one is a member of an [[Ajah]] until they are raised to [[Aes Sedai]]. At that point, they choose the Ajah they wish to join ([[New Spring: Chapter 11]]). These people have had many years, through the process of being a [[novice]] and [[Accepted]], to discover what the different Ajahs are about and where their personality fits.  
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In the [[Main_Page_(The_Wheel_of_Time)|Wheel of Time series]], no one is a member of an [[Ajah]] until they are raised to [[Aes Sedai]]. An Accepted chooses which Ajah to join during their raising ceremony ({{ns|11}}). These people have had many years, through the process of being a [[novice]] and [[Accepted]], to discover what the different Ajahs are about and where their personality will fit.  
  
From {{TV}}'s founding until January 2006, {{accepted}}/{{soldier}}s could only access one {{ajah}}/[[Company]] ([[Community Group]]) at a time and they rarely changed groups. However, we found this led to people assuming that once an Accepted/Soldier chose a Community Group, they were a full member of it. After "joining" a Community Group, Accepted/Soldiers were allowed to take full part in discussions about topics that only affected that group's members.  
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From {{TV}}'s founding until January 2006, {{accepted}} and {{soldier}}s could only access one {{ajah}} or [[Company]] ([[Community Group]]) at a time. They would choose which Community Group they wanted to join when they were raised to Accepted or Soldier, and they very rarely changed groups. We found that this led to people assuming that, once an Accepted or Soldier chose a Community Group, they were then a full member of it. After "joining" a Community Group in this way, Accepted and Soldiers were allowed to take full part in discussions about topics that only affected that group's Aes Sedai or {{Gaidin}}, as Community Groups did not have a private forum that excluded Accepted and Warders at that time.
  
More significantly, there was an expectation that Accepted/Soldiers were locked into their choice of Community Group once they made it, and changing groups was considered extremely bad form. This was not what {{TV}}'s Administration wanted or intended to happen, so the Guesting System was implemented to change the culture of inflexibility regarding finding one's home within our community.
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More significantly, there was an expectation that Accepted and Soldiers were locked into their choice of Community Group. Changing groups was considered extremely bad form, and some people even saw it as borderline betrayal of the Accepted's or Soldier's previous group. This was not what the site's administration wanted or intended to happen, so the Guesting System was implemented to change the culture of inflexibility regarding finding one's home within our community.
  
When the Guesting System was first introduced, the community's members were concerned. Some people thought that Accepted and Soldiers would be constantly cycling in and out of the Community Groups' sitting rooms as if there were a revolving door. Others thought that anything shared in a Community Group's sitting room would soon become public knowledge.
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When the Guesting System was first introduced, a significant number of {{TS}} (Aes Sedai and Gaidin) were very concerned. Some thought that Accepted and Soldiers would be constantly cycling in and out of the Community Groups' Sitting Rooms or Great Rooms as if there were a revolving door. Others thought that anything shared in a Community Group's Sitting Room or Great Room would soon become public knowledge. To address these fears, a Chambers forum was created for each Community Group, which was only visible to the group's Aes Sedai or Gaidin. However, as Chambers were new forums, virtually all discussions continued to happen in the Sitting Rooms and Great Rooms for a very significant period of time.
  
Ultimately, privacy concerns and other fears did not come true, and the system became one of the best changes {{TV}} has ever made. Accepted and Soldiers are no longer afraid to change Community Groups; they feel free to find the place where they truly belong.  
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Fortunately, privacy concerns and other fears did not come true. The first guesting Accepted and Soldiers and those thereafter respected the space of each Community Group and kept information from the Sitting Rooms or Great Rooms confidential.  
  
The Tower community as a whole has been brought closer together - people who would not have known about each other because they were in different Community Groups found themselves with new friends, even if they Aspired elsewhere. People aren’t cloistered in their Community Group with only a few friends outside of it. Our members also have a better understanding of how the different Community Groups work, lending to more cohesion amongst the Tower as a whole, particularly among our [[Senior Members]] ({{as}} and {{gaidin}}).
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Ultimately, the Guesting System became one of the best changes {{TV}} has ever made. Accepted and Soldiers are no longer afraid to change Community Groups; they feel free to find the place where they truly belong. The Tower community as a whole has been brought closer together by the creation of the Guesting System—people in different Community Groups who would not have known about each other found themselves with new friends after guesting in different groups. Many of these friendships persisted even if an Accepted or Soldier Aspired elsewhere. Members aren't nearly as cloistered in their Community Groups with only a few friends outside of it. Our members also have a better understanding of how the different Community Groups work, which has led to more cohesion amongst the Tower as a whole, particularly among our Tower Sworn.
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Up until late 2021 if a Tower Sworn (Aes Sedai or Gaidin) wanted to change the Community Group they belong to, they needed to take a voluntary demotion to an Accepted or Soldier, so that they find their new home. In October 2021 a new policy was implemented, where if an Aes Sedai or Gaidin chose to leave their previous groups, they would become Unaffiliated Tower Sworn. As Unaffiliated Tower Sworn, they would be free to Guest with Community Groups in search of a new home, or they might decide to not Guest anywhere. More information about unaffiliating can be found in the [[MM: Leaving a Community Group|Membership Manual]].
  
 
==Guesting==
 
==Guesting==
 
This is how the Guesting System works.
 
This is how the Guesting System works.
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===How to Guest===
 
===How to Guest===
For the first 6 weeks someone is an {{accepted}} or {{soldier}}, they must guest with two [[Community Groups]] at a time, regardless of whether each group is an {{ajah}} or [[Company]]. At any time, the Accepted/Soldier may change which groups they are guesting with, so long as they are in two groups at a time (not one, not three, just two).  
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For the first six weeks someone is an {{accepted}} or {{soldier}}, they must guest with two [[Community Groups]] at a time, regardless of whether each group is an {{ajah}} or [[Company]]. At any time, the Accepted/Soldier may change which groups they are guesting with, so long as they are in two groups at a time (not one, not three, just two).  
  
An Accepted/Soldier may spend as much or as little time as they wish within a given group. Some people will guest with a Community Group and immediately know that it is not their home. Others may spend 8 weeks in a Community Group before deciding that it not where they belong. Some people may guest with every single Community Group to make sure that they are not overlooking a group that might fit them the best.  
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An Accepted/Soldier may spend as much or as little time as they wish within a given group. Some people will guest with a Community Group and immediately know that it is not their home. Others may spend eight weeks in a Community Group before deciding that it is not where they belong. Some people may guest with every single Community Group to make sure that they are not overlooking a group that might fit them the best.  
  
Some people do two or more "rounds" of guesting - they will guest with every Community Group during the first "round", then revisit the few Community Groups they think might end up being their home. Other people may know exactly which Community Group they will Aspire to as soon as they are able and will not participate much at all within the second group they are guesting in. Still others may leave the Community Group they think they belong in to see how much they miss being there. All of these guesting methods and more are perfectly acceptable ways of finding one's own home within our Community Groups.
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Some people do two or more "rounds" of guesting - they will guest with every Community Group during the first "round," then revisit the few Community Groups they think might end up being their home. Other people may know exactly which Community Group they will Aspire to as soon as they are able and will not participate much at all within the second group they are guesting in. Still others may leave the Community Group they think they belong in to see how much they miss being there. All of these guesting methods and more are perfectly acceptable ways of finding one's own home within our Community Groups.
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Should an Accepted/Soldier wish to change one of the Community Groups they are guesting with, they should email the {{hoa}}/{{cc}} of the group they want to leave and ask to be removed. Many Accepted/Soldiers have made a point to post in the Community Group's sitting room prior to leaving to say goodbye and thank you. This is usually greatly appreciated by the members of the Community Group.  
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Should an Accepted/Soldier or Unaffiliated Tower Sworn wish to change one of the Community Groups they are guesting with, they should fill out a form, found in the {{MoAS}} office forum, with the information of which group/s they want to leave. Many Accepted/Soldiers have made a point to post in the Community Group's sitting room prior to leaving to say goodbye and thank you. This is usually greatly appreciated by the members of the Community Group.
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When requesting to leave a Community Group, an Accepted/Soldier or Unaffiliated Tower Sworn should ''also'' request to guest elsewhere unless they have Aspired. The duties of moving people from one group to another falls on the [[Tower Gatekeeper]]s. They cannot move an Accepted or Soldier from one group to another until they have received both requests. Since the filled out form is reviewed by the Master/Mistress of Accepted and Soldiers, they are the ones who request the moves between user groups.
  
When requesting to leave a Community Group, an Accepted/Soldier must ''also'' request to guest elsewhere unless they have Aspired. The [[Tower Gatekeeper]]s cannot move an Accepted or Soldier from one group to another until they have received both requests. An Accepted/Soldier should let the [mailto:acceptedandsoldiers@tarvalon.net Master/Mistress of Accepted and Soldiers] know if they have any difficulty moving between groups.
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In some cases, an Accepted/Soldier or an Unaffiliated Tower Sworn might find themselves in need of a "break" from Guesting. In this case, they should request that they be removed from both Community Groups they are currently guesting in. The request to come out of the "break" should be done by requesting to guest again with two Community Groups. An Accepted/Soldier should only be able to see into two groups at any given time.
  
If it has been a week after an Accepted/Soldier has alerted the Head of Ajah or Company Commander that they wish to leave a group and they have not been removed, they should email the [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership]. An Accepted/Soldier should only be able to see into two groups at any given time.
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If it has been a week after an Accepted/Soldier has alerted the Master/Mistress of Accepted and Soldiers that they wish to leave a group and they have not been removed, they should email the [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership].  
 
   
 
   
===Etiquette while guesting===
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===Etiquette While Guesting===
 
The message in this part is important enough that it deserves its own section.  
 
The message in this part is important enough that it deserves its own section.  
  
An Accepted/Soldier truly is a guest while they are in the various Community Group forums. Remember that this is where many of our Senior Members consider their homes to be. That means that personal information is often posted in these forums.  
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An Accepted/Soldier truly is a guest while they are in the various Community Group forums. Remember that this is where many of our Tower Sworn consider their homes to be. That means that personal information is often posted in these forums.  
  
 
'''Under no circumstances should an Accepted/Soldier discuss any information they read in Community Group forums with anyone not in that forum. '''
 
'''Under no circumstances should an Accepted/Soldier discuss any information they read in Community Group forums with anyone not in that forum. '''
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===Aspiring to a Community Group===
 
===Aspiring to a Community Group===
Once a member has been an Accepted/Soldier for at least 6 weeks, they are eligible to Aspire to a Community Group. This means that the Accepted/Soldier is declaring that this is the group they intend to join once they are raised to {{as}} or {{gaidin}}. This is a necessary part of being an Accepted/Soldier--they cannot become a Senior Member until they Aspire. When an Accepted/Soldier has Aspired to an Community Group, they are called an Aspirant.
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Once a member has been an Accepted/Soldier for at least six weeks, they are eligible to Aspire to a Community Group. This means that the Accepted/Soldier is declaring that this is the group they intend to join once they are raised to {{as}} or {{gaidin}}. This is a necessary part of being an Accepted/Soldier - they cannot become a Tower Sworn until they Aspire. When an Accepted/Soldier has Aspired to an Community Group, they are called an Aspirant.
  
An Accepted/Soldier does not have to Aspire to a group right at the 6 week minimum time period; some people take several more weeks or even months before deciding to Aspire to a particular group.
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An Accepted/Soldier does not have to Aspire to a group right at the six week minimum time period; some people take several more weeks or even months before deciding to Aspire to a particular group.
 
   
 
   
 
Each Community Group has a different process for Aspiring. An Accepted/Soldier will learn about that procedure either by looking through the stickies in that Community Group's forum or by contacting the group's {{hoa}}/{{cc}}.  
 
Each Community Group has a different process for Aspiring. An Accepted/Soldier will learn about that procedure either by looking through the stickies in that Community Group's forum or by contacting the group's {{hoa}}/{{cc}}.  
  
Once an Accepted/Soldier has officially Aspired, they should alert the Head of Ajah/Company Commander of the other group they were guesting with to have themselves removed from that group's forum. This means that until the Accepted/Soldier becomes a Senior Member, they will only see one Ajah/Company forum.
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Once an Accepted/Soldier has officially Aspired, they should alert the Head of Ajah/Company Commander of the other group they were guesting with to have themselves removed from that group's forum. This means that until the Accepted/Soldier becomes a Tower Sworn, they will only see one Ajah/Company forum.
 
   
 
   
Aspiring to an Community Group does not mean that an Accepted/Soldier is a member or even a half-member of that group. They are still free to explore other Community Groups if the desire strikes them; they just need to un-Aspire by alerting the Head of Ajah/Company Commander of their Community Group.  
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Aspiring to a Community Group does not mean that an Accepted/Soldier is a member or even a half-member of that group. They are still free to explore other Community Groups if the desire strikes them; they just need to un-Aspire by alerting the Head of Ajah/Company Commander of their Community Group.  
  
Accepted and Soldiers: Please do not let reluctance of offending the members of the Community Group to which you're currently Aspired prevent you from finding your true home. Senior Members realize that sometimes it takes time to find the right group, and they respect that.
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Accepted and Soldiers: Please do not let reluctance of offending the members of the Community Group to which you are currently Aspired prevent you from finding your true home. Tower Sworn realize that sometimes it takes time to find the right group, and they respect that.
  
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==Choosing to Demote==
 
==Choosing to Demote==
 
Sometimes, for whatever reason, an {{as}} or {{gaidin}} feels they do not fit into their [[Community Group]] anymore. If the {{as}} or {{gaidin}} is not able to resolve this problem, they may choose to voluntarily demote to {{accepted}} or {{soldier}} to find a new Ajah or Company.
 
Sometimes, for whatever reason, an {{as}} or {{gaidin}} feels they do not fit into their [[Community Group]] anymore. If the {{as}} or {{gaidin}} is not able to resolve this problem, they may choose to voluntarily demote to {{accepted}} or {{soldier}} to find a new Ajah or Company.
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All demotions are voluntary. No community members are demoted as a disciplinary measure.
 
All demotions are voluntary. No community members are demoted as a disciplinary measure.
  
The process of voluntary demotion is a difficult one, and is set up as such on purpose. The prospect of leaving one's Community Group is not to be taken lightly, nor should it be taken for granted. The {{TV}} Administration and [[Department of Membership]] take a Senior Member's changing of Community Group very seriously, and it should only be done as a last resort.  
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The process of voluntary demotion is a difficult one, and is set up as such on purpose. The prospect of leaving one's Community Group is not to be taken lightly, nor should it be taken for granted. The {{TV}} Administration and [[Department of Membership]] take a Tower Sworn's changing of Community Group very seriously, and it should only be done as a last resort.
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It is important to understand that voluntary demotion is not a procedure that is easily approved. Petitions for voluntary demotion will be examined by Administration and either approved or denied. Tower Sworn who are given approval to leave their Community Group must meet certain criteria.  
  
It is important to understand that voluntary demotion is not a procedure that is easily approved. Petitions for voluntary demotion will be examined by Administration and either approved or denied. Senior Members who are given approval to leave their Community Group must meet certain criteria.  
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If the only reason for leaving a Community Group is a matter of people involved rather than the concept of the Community Group itself, the Tower Sworn's petition for demotion is not likely to be approved. The Tower Sworn must present their petition so that it is clear that this member should not be affiliated with their present Community Group. Appropriate reasons include no longer fitting the profile of the present Ajah/Company or visibly fitting the profile of another Ajah/Company more ideally than the current one.
  
If the only reason for leaving a Community Group is a matter of people involved rather than the concept of the Community Group itself, the Senior Member's petition for demotion is not likely to be approved. The Senior Member must present his or her petition so that it is clear that this member should not be affiliated with his or her present Community Group. Appropriate reasons include no longer fitting the profile of the present Ajah/Company or visibly fitting the profile of another Ajah/Company more ideally than the current one.
 
 
===Petitioning for Demotion===
 
===Petitioning for Demotion===
A Senior Member who wants to change Community Group affiliation will petition the [[Director of Membership]], giving valid reasons for the demotion. The Director of Membership must receive the petition before the deadline posted in Site Announcements (usually sometime in June and December).  
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A Tower Sworn who wants to change Community Group affiliation will petition the [[Director of Membership]], giving valid reasons for the demotion. The Director of Membership must receive the petition before the deadline posted in Site Announcements (usually sometime in June and December).  
  
If approved, the Senior Member will be required to demote her/himself to Accepted or Soldier and participate in the guesting system. He or she will guest in two Community Groups at a time, like any other Accepted/Soldier, but will not be able to Aspire to his or her newly-chosen Community Group until after after 12 weeks of guesting (rather than 6 weeks, like usual Accepted/Soldiers).
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If approved, the Tower Sworn will be required to demote themselves to Accepted or Soldier and participate in the guesting system. They will guest in two Community Groups at a time, like any other Accepted/Soldier, but will not be able to Aspire to their newly-chosen Community Group until after after 12 weeks of guesting (rather than 6 weeks, like usual Accepted/Soldiers).
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Community members who voluntarily demote are not eligible for re-raising to Tower Sworn until 6 months after they have demoted, and many members find that it takes them longer than that to be raised again to Tower Sworn.  
  
Community members who voluntarily demote are not eligible for re-raising to Senior Member until 6 months after they have demoted, and many members find that it takes them longer than that to be raised again to Senior Member.
 
 
===The Demotion Experience===
 
===The Demotion Experience===
The voluntarily demoted community member will be an Accepted or Soldier in truth, rather than any special in-between rank. Although he or she will be given the courtesy of not being required to complete further raising project or contribution to the Tower, in all other ways he or she is to be treated in the same manner as any other Accepted or Soldier. He or she will be raised eventually through the {{hall}} and will be subject to all the strictures inherent of the Accepted/Soldier rank.  
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The voluntarily demoted community member will be an Accepted or Soldier in truth, rather than any special in-between rank. Although they will be given the courtesy of not being required to complete further raising project or contribution to the Tower, in all other ways they are to be treated in the same manner as any other Accepted or Soldier. They will be raised eventually through the {{hall}} and will be subject to all the strictures inherent in the Accepted/Soldier rank.  
  
At the same time, it is important to know that guesting after demoting will not be the same experience as it is for Accepted/Soldiers who are guesting for the first time. Demotees have a history with many other Senior Members, and this history doesn't just disappear. Voluntary demotion should not be perceived as a clean slate, do-over option. It is, rather, a shifting from one situation to another.
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At the same time, it is important to know that guesting after demoting will not be the same experience as it is for Accepted/Soldiers who are guesting for the first time. Demotees have a history with many other Tower Sworn, and this history doesn't just disappear. Voluntary demotion should not be perceived as a clean slate, do-over option. It is, rather, a shifting from one situation to another.
  
The voluntarily demoted Accepted/Soldier must appreciate that other Senior Members might have a hard time getting used to the demotee having a different rank. Senior Members, especially those belinging to the Community Group where the Accepted/Soldier chooses to Aspire, might be cautious. This caution might come from something as simple as wanting to know for sure that the Accepted/Soldier will not change his or her mind again before the Senior Members fully warm to the concept of him or her as a member of their Community Group.
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The voluntarily demoted Accepted/Soldier must appreciate that other Tower Sworn might have a hard time getting used to the demotee having a different rank. Tower Sworn, especially those belonging to the Community Group where the Accepted/Soldier chooses to Aspire, might be cautious. This caution might come from something as simple as wanting to know for sure that the Accepted/Soldier will not change their mind again before the Tower Sworn fully warm to the concept of them as a member of their Community Group.
  
 
At the same time, it should be respected that the Accepted/Soldier chooses the Community Group, not the other way around. Raising an Accepted/Soldier is not up to a vote with the new Community Group. Of course, members of this group will have input which may be put into the raising packet gathered by the {{hoa}} or {{cc}} and shown to the {{hall}}, but ultimately the member’s raising is up to the vote of the Hall, like any other raising.
 
At the same time, it should be respected that the Accepted/Soldier chooses the Community Group, not the other way around. Raising an Accepted/Soldier is not up to a vote with the new Community Group. Of course, members of this group will have input which may be put into the raising packet gathered by the {{hoa}} or {{cc}} and shown to the {{hall}}, but ultimately the member’s raising is up to the vote of the Hall, like any other raising.
  
The voluntarily demoted Accepted/Soldier is encouraged to take his or her time in deciding which Community Group to Aspire to. Likewise, someone who has demoted should not feel that other people are rushing them through the process. If an Accepted/Soldier finds that he or she is being pressured to choose (or not choose) a particular Community Group and that he or she is not being allowed to fully enjoy the guesting process, please contact the [mailto:acceptedandsoldiers@tarvalon.net Master/Mistress of Accepted and Soldiers].
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The voluntarily demoted Accepted/Soldier is encouraged to take their time in deciding which Community Group to Aspire to. Likewise, someone who has demoted should not feel that other people are rushing them through the process. If an Accepted/Soldier finds that they are being pressured to choose (or not choose) a particular Community Group and that they aren't being allowed to fully enjoy the guesting process, please contact the [mailto:acceptedandsoldiers@tarvalon.net Master/Mistress of Accepted and Soldiers].
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==Second Demotions==
 
==Second Demotions==
 
Second voluntary demotions were not always permitted at {{TV}}. However, after the Guesting System and Demotion were established for a while, Administration found it necessary examine all of the potential ramifications of allowing people to demote a second time, while considering that we want people to be happy both with {{TV}} as a whole as well as within their chosen Community Group.  
 
Second voluntary demotions were not always permitted at {{TV}}. However, after the Guesting System and Demotion were established for a while, Administration found it necessary examine all of the potential ramifications of allowing people to demote a second time, while considering that we want people to be happy both with {{TV}} as a whole as well as within their chosen Community Group.  
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Here are the requirements for second demotions:
 
Here are the requirements for second demotions:
#The Senior Member must have been a Senior Member for a minimum of 3 years in their current Community Group.
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#The Tower Sworn must have been a Tower Sworn for a minimum of 3 years in their current Community Group.
 
#The member must be active and participating in the overall {{TV}} community (though not necessarily in their current Community Group).
 
#The member must be active and participating in the overall {{TV}} community (though not necessarily in their current Community Group).
##Thus, a second demotion wouldn't be approved for someone had been on a long term Leave of Absence, then came back with the demotion request being one of the first things they do. Since {{TV}} things can seem very different after a Leave of Absence, we want members to have time to get to know the people and the Community as a whole again before making a huge change. If a Senior Member still wants to demote after showing that they have been present and active on the site (without which he or she most likely wouldn't be raised again in any case), then he or she is more than welcome to submit an application to the [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership] in the way described above.  
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##Thus, a second demotion wouldn't be approved for someone had been on a long term Leave of Absence, then came back with the demotion request being one of the first things they do. Since {{TV}} things can seem very different after a Leave of Absence, we want members to have time to get to know the people and the Community as a whole again before making a huge change. If a Tower Sworn still wants to demote after showing that they have been present and active on the site (without which they most likely wouldn't be raised again in any case), then they are more than welcome to submit an application to the [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership] in the way described above.  
 
#Members who demote a second time are able to Aspire after 6 months.
 
#Members who demote a second time are able to Aspire after 6 months.
#Members who demote a second time are eligible for raising to Senior Member after 1 year.
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#Members who demote a second time are eligible for raising to Tower Sworn after 1 year.
  
 
If you have any questions about the Guesting System or Demoting, feel free to email the [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership].
 
If you have any questions about the Guesting System or Demoting, feel free to email the [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership].
  
 
===Hall Pass===
 
===Hall Pass===
These rules ''only'' apply to those who demoted on January 1, 2015 ''for the express purpose'' of changing paths (for men to join an Ajah or women to join a Company).  
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These rules ''only'' applied to those who demoted on January 1, 2015 ''for the express purpose'' of changing paths (for men to join an Ajah or women to join a Company).  
For these exceptions only, administration is allowing what is called a "Hall Pass".
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For these exceptions only, administration allowed what was called a "Hall Pass".
  
 
From the [[Fall 2014 Admin Meeting#First Round Demotions|Fall 2014 Admin Meeting]]:
 
From the [[Fall 2014 Admin Meeting#First Round Demotions|Fall 2014 Admin Meeting]]:
  
Members who change paths will be considered demotees. However, they will *not* need to go through the {{hall}} for advancement back to Senior Member. Rather, as with our normal raising process, the {{hoa}}/{{cc}}, with input from their members, will determine when the demotee is ready to advance after the waiting period of 6 months (a year for second time demotees). The raising packet will still need to be sent to the respective Admin, as well as to the [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership] before the raising will be sanctioned. When the raising is approved, an announcement will be made congratulating the demotee on their promotion to Senior Member and appropriate permissions will be restored.  
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Members who change paths will be considered demotees. However, they will *not* need to go through the {{hall}} for advancement back to Tower Sworn. Rather, as with our normal raising process, the {{hoa}}/{{cc}}, with input from their members, will determine when the demotee is ready to advance after the waiting period of 6 months (a year for second time demotees). The raising packet will still need to be sent to the respective Admin, as well as to the [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership] before the raising will be sanctioned. When the raising is approved, an announcement will be made congratulating the demotee on their promotion to Tower Sworn and appropriate permissions will be restored.  
 
   
 
   
 
This exception with the Hall will *only* apply to this very first group. If someone elects to demote and change paths during subsequent application periods, all normal rules pertaining to demotions and the Hall will be in effect.
 
This exception with the Hall will *only* apply to this very first group. If someone elects to demote and change paths during subsequent application periods, all normal rules pertaining to demotions and the Hall will be in effect.
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If you have questions about the Hall Pass, please contact the [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership].
 
If you have questions about the Hall Pass, please contact the [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership].
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If you have any questions about the Guesting System, Unaffiliating or Demoting, feel free to email the [mailto:moas.tarvalon@gmail.com Master/Mistress of Accepted and Soldiers] or [mailto:membership@tarvalon.net Director of Membership].
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[[Category:Department of Membership]]
 
[[Category:Department of Membership]]

Latest revision as of 09:14, 7 November 2023

By Kitan Tataru

This page explains TarValon.Net's established process for an Accepted or Soldier to choose an Ajah or Company, also called a Community Group. This is known as the Guesting System.

This page also explains the process an Aes Sedai or Gaidin must follow to change which Community Group they are part of, while in the process being called "Unaffiliated."

The Membership Manual contains more information about this topic.

History

In the Wheel of Time series, no one is a member of an Ajah until they are raised to Aes Sedai. An Accepted chooses which Ajah to join during their raising ceremony (NS, Ch. 11). These people have had many years, through the process of being a novice and Accepted, to discover what the different Ajahs are about and where their personality will fit.

From TarValon.Net's founding until January 2006, Accepted and Soldiers could only access one Ajah or Company (Community Group) at a time. They would choose which Community Group they wanted to join when they were raised to Accepted or Soldier, and they very rarely changed groups. We found that this led to people assuming that, once an Accepted or Soldier chose a Community Group, they were then a full member of it. After "joining" a Community Group in this way, Accepted and Soldiers were allowed to take full part in discussions about topics that only affected that group's Aes Sedai or Gaidin, as Community Groups did not have a private forum that excluded Accepted and Warders at that time.

More significantly, there was an expectation that Accepted and Soldiers were locked into their choice of Community Group. Changing groups was considered extremely bad form, and some people even saw it as borderline betrayal of the Accepted's or Soldier's previous group. This was not what the site's administration wanted or intended to happen, so the Guesting System was implemented to change the culture of inflexibility regarding finding one's home within our community.

When the Guesting System was first introduced, a significant number of Tower Sworn (Aes Sedai and Gaidin) were very concerned. Some thought that Accepted and Soldiers would be constantly cycling in and out of the Community Groups' Sitting Rooms or Great Rooms as if there were a revolving door. Others thought that anything shared in a Community Group's Sitting Room or Great Room would soon become public knowledge. To address these fears, a Chambers forum was created for each Community Group, which was only visible to the group's Aes Sedai or Gaidin. However, as Chambers were new forums, virtually all discussions continued to happen in the Sitting Rooms and Great Rooms for a very significant period of time.

Fortunately, privacy concerns and other fears did not come true. The first guesting Accepted and Soldiers and those thereafter respected the space of each Community Group and kept information from the Sitting Rooms or Great Rooms confidential.

Ultimately, the Guesting System became one of the best changes TarValon.Net has ever made. Accepted and Soldiers are no longer afraid to change Community Groups; they feel free to find the place where they truly belong. The Tower community as a whole has been brought closer together by the creation of the Guesting System—people in different Community Groups who would not have known about each other found themselves with new friends after guesting in different groups. Many of these friendships persisted even if an Accepted or Soldier Aspired elsewhere. Members aren't nearly as cloistered in their Community Groups with only a few friends outside of it. Our members also have a better understanding of how the different Community Groups work, which has led to more cohesion amongst the Tower as a whole, particularly among our Tower Sworn.

Up until late 2021 if a Tower Sworn (Aes Sedai or Gaidin) wanted to change the Community Group they belong to, they needed to take a voluntary demotion to an Accepted or Soldier, so that they find their new home. In October 2021 a new policy was implemented, where if an Aes Sedai or Gaidin chose to leave their previous groups, they would become Unaffiliated Tower Sworn. As Unaffiliated Tower Sworn, they would be free to Guest with Community Groups in search of a new home, or they might decide to not Guest anywhere. More information about unaffiliating can be found in the Membership Manual.

Guesting

This is how the Guesting System works.

How to Guest

For the first six weeks someone is an Accepted or Soldier, they must guest with two Community Groups at a time, regardless of whether each group is an Ajah or Company. At any time, the Accepted/Soldier may change which groups they are guesting with, so long as they are in two groups at a time (not one, not three, just two).

An Accepted/Soldier may spend as much or as little time as they wish within a given group. Some people will guest with a Community Group and immediately know that it is not their home. Others may spend eight weeks in a Community Group before deciding that it is not where they belong. Some people may guest with every single Community Group to make sure that they are not overlooking a group that might fit them the best.

Some people do two or more "rounds" of guesting - they will guest with every Community Group during the first "round," then revisit the few Community Groups they think might end up being their home. Other people may know exactly which Community Group they will Aspire to as soon as they are able and will not participate much at all within the second group they are guesting in. Still others may leave the Community Group they think they belong in to see how much they miss being there. All of these guesting methods and more are perfectly acceptable ways of finding one's own home within our Community Groups.

Should an Accepted/Soldier or Unaffiliated Tower Sworn wish to change one of the Community Groups they are guesting with, they should fill out a form, found in the Master/Mistress of Accepted and Soldiers office forum, with the information of which group/s they want to leave. Many Accepted/Soldiers have made a point to post in the Community Group's sitting room prior to leaving to say goodbye and thank you. This is usually greatly appreciated by the members of the Community Group.

When requesting to leave a Community Group, an Accepted/Soldier or Unaffiliated Tower Sworn should also request to guest elsewhere unless they have Aspired. The duties of moving people from one group to another falls on the Tower Gatekeepers. They cannot move an Accepted or Soldier from one group to another until they have received both requests. Since the filled out form is reviewed by the Master/Mistress of Accepted and Soldiers, they are the ones who request the moves between user groups.

In some cases, an Accepted/Soldier or an Unaffiliated Tower Sworn might find themselves in need of a "break" from Guesting. In this case, they should request that they be removed from both Community Groups they are currently guesting in. The request to come out of the "break" should be done by requesting to guest again with two Community Groups. An Accepted/Soldier should only be able to see into two groups at any given time.

If it has been a week after an Accepted/Soldier has alerted the Master/Mistress of Accepted and Soldiers that they wish to leave a group and they have not been removed, they should email the Director of Membership.

Etiquette While Guesting

The message in this part is important enough that it deserves its own section.

An Accepted/Soldier truly is a guest while they are in the various Community Group forums. Remember that this is where many of our Tower Sworn consider their homes to be. That means that personal information is often posted in these forums.

Under no circumstances should an Accepted/Soldier discuss any information they read in Community Group forums with anyone not in that forum.

They should not allude to that information by any means, manner, or form.

They should not repeat it.

They should not copy/paste it anywhere.

They should not paraphrase it.

Nothing. Nada. Zip.

If anyone is found to break this ethical code, the punishment will be severe. An Accepted/Soldier should not join a Community Group just so they can gawk at the skeletons in the closet.

Aspiring to a Community Group

Once a member has been an Accepted/Soldier for at least six weeks, they are eligible to Aspire to a Community Group. This means that the Accepted/Soldier is declaring that this is the group they intend to join once they are raised to Aes Sedai or Gaidin. This is a necessary part of being an Accepted/Soldier - they cannot become a Tower Sworn until they Aspire. When an Accepted/Soldier has Aspired to an Community Group, they are called an Aspirant.

An Accepted/Soldier does not have to Aspire to a group right at the six week minimum time period; some people take several more weeks or even months before deciding to Aspire to a particular group.

Each Community Group has a different process for Aspiring. An Accepted/Soldier will learn about that procedure either by looking through the stickies in that Community Group's forum or by contacting the group's Head of Ajah/Company Commander.

Once an Accepted/Soldier has officially Aspired, they should alert the Head of Ajah/Company Commander of the other group they were guesting with to have themselves removed from that group's forum. This means that until the Accepted/Soldier becomes a Tower Sworn, they will only see one Ajah/Company forum.

Aspiring to a Community Group does not mean that an Accepted/Soldier is a member or even a half-member of that group. They are still free to explore other Community Groups if the desire strikes them; they just need to un-Aspire by alerting the Head of Ajah/Company Commander of their Community Group.

Accepted and Soldiers: Please do not let reluctance of offending the members of the Community Group to which you are currently Aspired prevent you from finding your true home. Tower Sworn realize that sometimes it takes time to find the right group, and they respect that.


If you have any questions about the Guesting System, Unaffiliating or Demoting, feel free to email the Master/Mistress of Accepted and Soldiers or Director of Membership.