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==Secrecy about Age==
 
==Secrecy about Age==
  
Very little is known about the circumstances surrounding the deaths of Aes
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Very little is known about the circumstances surrounding the deaths of [[Aes
Sedai due to their secretive nature. However it is known that the use of the
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Sedai]] due to their secretive nature. However it is known that the use of the
 
One Power significantly extends the life expectancy of any channeller. At
 
One Power significantly extends the life expectancy of any channeller. At
 
this point I will make the observation that, due to stilling and madness, it
 
this point I will make the observation that, due to stilling and madness, it
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However, this does not stop the aging process completely. Comments are often
 
However, this does not stop the aging process completely. Comments are often
 
made throughout the series of ‘Senior’ Aes Sedai and how they have traces of
 
made throughout the series of ‘Senior’ Aes Sedai and how they have traces of
gray hair, one such example is Verin Mathwin of the Brown Ajah (TGH, chapter
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gray hair, one such example is [[Verin Mathwin]] of the Brown Ajah (TGH, chapter
 
7). In order to develop this coloring, an Aes Sedai must have lived an
 
7). In order to develop this coloring, an Aes Sedai must have lived an
 
exceptionally long time. In Verin’s case, she is already an Aes Sedai when
 
exceptionally long time. In Verin’s case, she is already an Aes Sedai when
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not exactly known by other members of the Tower.
 
not exactly known by other members of the Tower.
  
Cadsunane Melaidhrin is the oldest living Aes Sedai, with ‘iron gray’ hair
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[[Cadsuane Melaidhrin]] is the oldest living Aes Sedai, with ‘iron gray’ hair
 
worn in a bun. It is believed she was born in 705 NE, making her 294. Even in her own view, she expects to die soon.
 
worn in a bun. It is believed she was born in 705 NE, making her 294. Even in her own view, she expects to die soon.
 
"Over two hundred and seventy years had passed since she last encountered a
 
"Over two hundred and seventy years had passed since she last encountered a
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gathered, the average Aes Sedai is expected to live about 300 years (hence
 
gathered, the average Aes Sedai is expected to live about 300 years (hence
 
Cadsuane expecting not to live a great deal longer). However it has been
 
Cadsuane expecting not to live a great deal longer). However it has been
found that Reanne Corly of the Knitting Circle is 411 years old. Having left the Tower
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found that [[Reanne Corly]] of the Knitting Circle is 411 years old. Having left the Tower
 
before she was raised to Aes Sedai, this implies that something is done to
 
before she was raised to Aes Sedai, this implies that something is done to
 
shorten the life expectancy of an Aes Sedai. The obvious conclusions are
 
shorten the life expectancy of an Aes Sedai. The obvious conclusions are
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* Alivia, the former damane, is known to be 414.
 
* Alivia, the former damane, is known to be 414.
 
* The Forsaken existed before being locked in the Bore and were thought to be old then.
 
* The Forsaken existed before being locked in the Bore and were thought to be old then.
* In LOC chapter 15 there is a reference to an ageless Aiel who died at 300 years old, having been bitten by a snake. Had this not have happened, she
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* In LOC chapter 15 there is a reference to an ageless [[Aiel]] who died at 300 years old, having been bitten by a snake. Had this not have happened, she
 
may have lived a significantly longer time.
 
may have lived a significantly longer time.
  
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tell me I shouldn't talk about age. That's a ridiculous custom, and you know
 
tell me I shouldn't talk about age. That's a ridiculous custom, and you know
 
it. Egwene, Reanne was called Eldest because she was the oldest Kinswoman in
 
it. Egwene, Reanne was called Eldest because she was the oldest Kinswoman in
Ebou Dar. The oldest anywhere is a woman called Aloisia Nemosni, an oil
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[[Ebou Dar]]. The oldest anywhere is a woman called [[Aloisia Nemosni]], an oil
 
merchant in Tear. Egwene, she's nearly six...hundred...years...old! When the
 
merchant in Tear. Egwene, she's nearly six...hundred...years...old! When the
 
Hall hears that, I'll wager they'll be ready to put the Oath Rod on a
 
Hall hears that, I'll wager they'll be ready to put the Oath Rod on a
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The data:
 
The data:
  
* Years 992 – 1084 AB    92      Deane Aryman, raised from the Blue Ajah.
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* Years 992 – 1084 AB    92      [[Deane Aryman]], raised from the Blue Ajah.
* Years 1084 – 5 NE              Selame Necoine, raised from the Green Ajah
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* Years 1084 – 5 NE              [[Selame Necoine]], raised from the Green Ajah
* Years 5 – 36 NE        31      Rabayn Marushta, raised from the White Ajah
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* Years 5 – 36 NE        31      [[Rabayn Marushta]], raised from the White Ajah
* Years 36 – 64 NE        28      Daline Ndaye, raised from the Gray Ajah
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* Years 36 – 64 NE        28      [[Daline Ndaye]], raised from the Gray Ajah
* Years 64 – 115 NE      51      Edara Noregovna, raised from the Blue Ajah
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* Years 64 – 115 NE      51      [[Edara Noregovna]], raised from the Blue Ajah
* Years 115 – 142 NE      27      Balladare Arandaille, raised from the Brown Ajah
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* Years 115 – 142 NE      27      [[Balladare Arandaille]], raised from the Brown Ajah
* Years 142 – 171 NE      29      Medanor Eramandos, raised from the Gray Ajah
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* Years 142 – 171 NE      29      [[Medanor Eramandos]], raised from the Gray Ajah
* Years 171 – 197 NE      26      Kiyosa Natomo,  raised from the Green Ajah
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* Years 171 – 197 NE      26      [[Kiyosa Natomo]],  raised from the Green Ajah
* Years 197 – 223 NE      26      Catala Luncanvalle, raised from the Yellow Ajah
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* Years 197 – 223 NE      26      [[Catala Luncanvalle]], raised from the Yellow Ajah
* Years 223 – 244 NE      21      Elisa Strang, raised from the Gray Ajah
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* Years 223 – 244 NE      21      [[Elisa Strang]], raised from the Gray Ajah
* Years 244 – 276 NE      32      Comarra Zepava, raised from the Blue Ajah
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* Years 244 – 276 NE      32      [[Comarra Zepava]], raised from the Blue Ajah
* Years 276 – 306 NE      30      Serenia Latar, raised from the Gray Ajah
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* Years 276 – 306 NE      30      [[Serenia Latar]], raised from the Gray Ajah
* Years 306 – 332 NE      26      Doniella Alievin, raised from the Brown Ajah
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* Years 306 – 332 NE      26      [[Doniella Alievin]], raised from the Brown Ajah
* Years 332 – 355 NE      23      Aliane Senican, raised from the White Ajah
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* Years 332 – 355 NE      23      [[Aliane Senican]], raised from the White Ajah
* Years 355 – 396 NE      41      Suilin Escanda, raised from the Blue Ajah
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* Years 355 – 396 NE      41      [[Suilin Escanda]], raised from the Blue Ajah
* Years 396 – 419 NE      23      Nirelle Coidevwin, raised from the Green Ajah
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* Years 396 – 419 NE      23      [[Nirelle Coidevwin]], raised from the Green Ajah
* Years 419 – 454 NE      35      Ishara Nawan, raised from the Blue Ajah
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* Years 419 – 454 NE      35      [[Ishara Nawan]], raised from the Blue Ajah
* Years 454 – 476 NE      22      Cerilla Marodred, raised from the Gray Ajah
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* Years 454 – 476 NE      22      [[Cerilla Marodred]], raised from the Gray Ajah
* Years 476 – 520 NE      44      Igaine Luin, raised from the Brown Ajah
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* Years 476 – 520 NE      44      [[Igaine Luin]], raised from the Brown Ajah
* Years 520 – 533 NE      13      Beryl Marle, raised from the White Ajah
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* Years 520 – 533 NE      13      [[Beryl Marle]], raised from the White Ajah
* Years 533 – 549 NE      16      Eldaya Tolen, raised from the Blue Ajah
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* Years 533 – 549 NE      16      [[Eldaya Tolen]], raised from the Blue Ajah
* Years 549 – 578 NE      29      Alvera Ramosanya, raised from the Yellow Ajah
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* Years 549 – 578 NE      29      [[Alvera Ramosanya]], raised from the Yellow Ajah
* Years 578 – 601 NE      23      Shein Chunla, raised from the Green Ajah
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* Years 578 – 601 NE      23      [[Shein Chunla]], raised from the Green Ajah
* Years 601 – 638 NE      37      Gerra Kishar, raised from the Gray Ajah
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* Years 601 – 638 NE      37      [[Gerra Kishar]], raised from the Gray Ajah
* Years 638 – 681 NE      43      Varuna Morrigan, raised from the Green Ajah
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* Years 638 – 681 NE      43      [[Varuna Morrigan]], raised from the Green Ajah
* Years 681 – 705 NE      24      Cemaile Sorenthaine, raised from the Gray Ajah
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* Years 681 – 705 NE      24      [[Cemaile Sorenthaine]], raised from the Gray Ajah
* Years 705 – 732 NE      27      Marasale Jureen, raised from the Yellow Ajah
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* Years 705 – 732 NE      27      [[Marasale Jureen]], raised from the Yellow Ajah
* Years 732 – 754 NE      22      Feragaine Saralman, raised from the Blue Ajah
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* Years 732 – 754 NE      22      [[Feragaine Saralman]], raised from the Blue Ajah
* Years 754 – 797 NE      43      Myriam Copan, raised from the Green Ajah
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* Years 754 – 797 NE      43      [[Myriam Copan]], raised from the Green Ajah
* Years 797 – 817 NE      20      Zeranda Tyrim, raised from the Brown Ajah
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* Years 797 – 817 NE      20      [[Zeranda Tyrim]], raised from the Brown Ajah
* Years 817 – 866 NE      49      Parenia Demalle, raised from the Gray Ajah
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* Years 817 – 866 NE      49      [[Parenia Demalle]], raised from the Gray Ajah
* Years 866 – 890 NE      24      Sereille Bagand, raised from the White Ajah
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* Years 866 – 890 NE      24      [[Sereille Bagand]], raised from the White Ajah
* Years 890 – 922 NE      32      Aleis Romlin, raised from the Green Ajah
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* Years 890 – 922 NE      32      [[Aleis Romlin]], raised from the Green Ajah
* Years 922 – 950 NE      28      Kirin Melway, raised from the Brown Ajah
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* Years 922 – 950 NE      28      [[Kirin Melway]], raised from the Brown Ajah
* Years 973 – 979 NE      6      Tamra Ospenya, raised from the Blue Ajah
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* Years 973 – 979 NE      6      [[Tamra Ospenya]], raised from the Blue Ajah
* Years 979 – 984 NE      5      Sierin Vayu, raised from the Gray Ajah
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* Years 979 – 984 NE      5      [[Sierin Vayu]], raised from the Gray Ajah
* Years 984 – 988 NE      4      Marith Jaen, raised from the Blue Ajah
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* Years 984 – 988 NE      4      [[Marith Jaen]], raised from the Blue Ajah
* Years 988 – 999 NE      11      Siuan Sanche raised from the Blue Ajah
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* Years 988 – 999 NE      11      [[Siuan Sanche]] raised from the Blue Ajah
  
 
Having looked at my list, I started to work out how long each Amyrlin had
 
Having looked at my list, I started to work out how long each Amyrlin had

Revision as of 16:32, 21 October 2007

Author: Sonea Ilandred

Secrecy about Age

Very little is known about the circumstances surrounding the deaths of [[Aes Sedai]] due to their secretive nature. However it is known that the use of the One Power significantly extends the life expectancy of any channeller. At this point I will make the observation that, due to stilling and madness, it is not known if men experience the same phenomenon. Due to their relatively short term use of the One Power, it is not known whether male channelers achieve the ‘ageless look’ of a female Aes Sedai. It is known that as women use the One Power, over time their features slow in showing the progression of time, we assume with increased effect the more the One Power is used. However, this does not stop the aging process completely. Comments are often made throughout the series of ‘Senior’ Aes Sedai and how they have traces of gray hair, one such example is Verin Mathwin of the Brown Ajah (TGH, chapter 7). In order to develop this coloring, an Aes Sedai must have lived an exceptionally long time. In Verin’s case, she is already an Aes Sedai when Moiraine takes her test for the shawl, having herself taken 11 years to achieve it, leaving her fiancé before joining the Tower. It is it deemed rude to ask an Aes Sedai their age, though generally this is suspected, if not exactly known by other members of the Tower.

Cadsuane Melaidhrin is the oldest living Aes Sedai, with ‘iron gray’ hair worn in a bun. It is believed she was born in 705 NE, making her 294. Even in her own view, she expects to die soon. "Over two hundred and seventy years had passed since she last encountered a task she could not perform. Any day now might be her last, but young al'Thor would be a fitting end to it all." (ACOS: Chapter 19). However, the Glossary of ACoS states one birth place, while WH chapter 25 states her place of birth as somewhere else entirely. In ‘New Spring’ it is stated that she is the strongest Aes Sedai to have been born in the past thousand years (chapter 17), though this does not necessarily mean she has used the One Power more than any other Aes Sedai, or that the ageless look would be any more powerful within her. She is known for disappearing, having been thought to have headed into retirement to die, and has done this on two known occasions. The reason for presenting this information is to emphasize that a lot of the information gathered here contains inaccuracies.

Aging of the Knitting Circle

Information about the Knitting Circle adds interesting perspectives on the life expectancy and ages of Aes Sedai. Judging by the information gathered, the average Aes Sedai is expected to live about 300 years (hence Cadsuane expecting not to live a great deal longer). However it has been found that Reanne Corly of the Knitting Circle is 411 years old. Having left the Tower before she was raised to Aes Sedai, this implies that something is done to shorten the life expectancy of an Aes Sedai. The obvious conclusions are that this ‘shortening’ may take place during the raising tests, or caused by the taking of the Three Oaths with the Oath Rod. Moiraine states in New Spring that the Three Oaths are worn close to the skin, trapping Aes Sedai, which suggests this is more than just a physical feeling. Of the Knitting Circle members, none have taken the Three Oaths, and at least one of their members is known to be over 600 years old. Therefore it can be assumed that some part of raising to Aes Sedai and taking the Three Oaths, not only shortens your life expectancy, but might do this by as much as half.

Other examples to suggest the White Tower raising ceremony to Aes Sedai shortens their lifespan includes:

  • Alivia, the former damane, is known to be 414.
  • The Forsaken existed before being locked in the Bore and were thought to be old then.
  • In LOC chapter 15 there is a reference to an ageless Aiel who died at 300 years old, having been bitten by a snake. Had this not have happened, she

may have lived a significantly longer time.

By the end of book 11, our female leads have come to the conclusion that the raising ceremony will shorten their lives. However Egwene chooses to take that risk, despite being seen as not only Aes Sedai but Amyrlin, and take the Three Oaths. One can only assume that her reasons are to show that she too binds herself to the Tower and to provide belief in her words with the inability to lie. The quote for this is as follows:

"'That's madness!' Nynaeve burst out... 'You know what it does; the Kin are proof! How many Aes Sedai live past three hundred? Or reach it? And don't tell me I shouldn't talk about age. That's a ridiculous custom, and you know it. Egwene, Reanne was called Eldest because she was the oldest Kinswoman in Ebou Dar. The oldest anywhere is a woman called Aloisia Nemosni, an oil merchant in Tear. Egwene, she's nearly six...hundred...years...old! When the Hall hears that, I'll wager they'll be ready to put the Oath Rod on a shelf.' "'The Light knows three hundred years is a long time,' Elayne put in, 'but I can't say I'm happy myself at the prospect of perhaps cutting my life in half, Egwene.'" (WH: Chapter 10).

From the above gathered information, it can be seen that very little is known with regards to the life expectancy of an Aes Sedai, or the effects raising to the shawl may have on that persons life.

Reign of the Amyrlin Seat

The data:

Having looked at my list, I started to work out how long each Amyrlin had held her position. Although it initially seemed like pointless maths for the sake of it, a pattern did seem to appear before me. To minimize errors, I found I had to remove all Amyrlin’s who held their positions before the New Era. The reasons are:

  • Elisane Tishar – it is unknown exactly when she was raised to Amyrlin and it is unknown exactly when she died.
  • Bonwhin Meraighdin – the dates again are not exact, also Bonwhin was stripped of the shawl rather than dying.
  • Deane Aryman – she was in the post for 92 years, over twice the figures found once the New Era began. Therefore to minimize the error this data was removed, but should be considered. Also her death was caused by a fall from her horse, not because she died of old age.
  • Selame Necoine – it is unknown what exact year the calendar was reset to the New Era, so we cannot work out how long this Aes Sedai remained as Amyrlin.

I also removed Siuan Sanche on the basis she did not die, but was also stripped of the stole.

Basic maths told me that from 5 NE – 988 NE was 983 years, this divided by the 35 Amyrlins was an average of 28 years. I then sat down and worked out how long each Amyrlin had held their post, and which Ajah they were from. The results surprised me.

The Blue Ajah
The longest serving Amyrlin in this period was of the Blue Ajah with 51 years, however the shortest serving was also Blue at only 4 years. Total number of Years a Blue has held the position: 207 Average length of time as Amyrlin: 25 years

The Red Ajah
Well this was easy, there weren’t any Amyrlins of the Red Ajah.

The Yellow Ajah
Although only three Yellows have held the position in the period, they almost hit the 28 year average spot on. Total number of Years a Yellow has held the position: 82 Average length of time as Amyrlin: 27 years

The Brown Ajah
The Brown Ajah for the most part stayed around the average figure, however it then jumps to 44 years, followed by a mere 20. Total number of Years a Brown has held the position: 145 Average length of time as Amyrlin: 29 years

The Green Ajah
The ladies of the Green seem to vary on a much higher level than most of the other Ajahs. With 6 Amyrlins they hold the highest average of any Ajah. Total number of Years a Green has held the position: 190 Average length of time as Amyrlin: 31 years

The Gray Ajah
The Grays had had the most Amyrlins raised, leading to a high figure with regards to the amount of years the position has been held. However they also hit the average almost dead on. Total number of Years a Gray has held the position: 245 Average length of time as Amyrlin: 27 years

The White Ajah
It seems that the White Amyrlins have not fared too well in their times. Although they have had one more Amyrlin than the Yellow Ajah, they fall far short of the 28 year average and also have the lowest average of all the Ajahs (excepting Red). Total number of Years a White has held the position: 91 Average length of time as Amyrlin: 22 years

I put this in visual form to see if it made things any clearer.

Initial Conclusion

I looked at all the above provided information and decided that there has to be some reason as to why the average reign of the Amyrlin Seat is 28 years. As Aes Sedai keep their exact ages hidden, it may be that the Hall chooses someone of appropriate age, though without knowing the exact answer. It may be that the whole thing is a coincidence, but do these really exist inside the White Tower?

Since the Prophecy of the Dragon and Tamra Ospenya’s reign, the amount of time an Amyrlin has held post has shrunk considerably for unknown reasons. We do not know when the Oath Rod appeared, but there might be a reason that it is no longer possible to reign for 90+ years, and this is the issue surrounding the effects of the Three Oaths.


Further investigation

With further investigation and assistance, other factors have now been built in to this project. Tamra Ospenya was killed by the Black Ajah so her death was not by natural cause. Sierin Vayu was killed by the Red Ajah, but this was incited by Chesmal Emry of the Black Ajah, as Sierin was aware of the presence of the Black Ajah. The exact date of her death is also in question as the BWB claims 894 whilst WH claims 891.

On this basis it suggests that Marith Jaen may also have been ‘disposed’ of rather than reaching her natural age for death. The Hall of the Tower was unaware of the presence of the Black Ajah in its midst, and possibly concluded that the shortening length of time served by Amyrlin’s was being caused by their age on taking up the position. In order to combat this, the Hall raised Siuan to Amyrlin, also hoping to be able to control her due to her youth. This in itself did not work out, possibly aiding the decision to ‘still’ her when the opportunity arose.